elvendoll | *giggles*

i love it when people play dirty!

he deletes 1 comment that followed a really false statement and blocked me from posting, so it looks like he got the last word in, and rode off on a high horse.
i think if i didn't believe in karma, i'd be less amused... but i do : )

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From:

http://users.livejournal.com/_jax_/

i dont know you personally, but ive read enough about you to pass my judgement...grow up! you cant be immature forever, so now would be a good time to start acting like the adult you are. also, if your so offended by what he says in HIS journal, dont read it. seems like a simple idea to me, even simple enough for someone like you to understand.

From:

stillking.livejournal.com

...and one I don't completely understand.

Most people use an explanation which goes like this: "Well, it's _my_ journal, so if you don't like what I'm saying in it, please don't read it."

This is patently absurd. http://www.livejournal.com is _not_ the same as a closed-and-locked paper-and-pencil diary... it is an unfiltered, public Internet forum. There are options to block search engines, certain forms of anonymous-visitor input, and to enable a friends-only lockdown; but if the author chooses not to make use of these, he/she is posting to the world, as would any Internet fanzine or UseNet newsgroup or online newspaper.

Now the counterargument is usually something about 'hey, we have freedom of speech, I can post whatever I want.' But this is only half-true -- the First Amendment does not condone libel, or slander, and it certainly does not condone 'hey-I'm-gonna-publicly-post-this-for-everyone-to-see-but-I-don't-intend-for-YOU-to-read-it-just-everyone-else-on-the-planet' attitude.

Now, it isn't 100% clear to me that all DarkRoomMan (http://www.livejournal.com/users/darkroomman)'s comments were/are directed at Yulia -- he doesn't use specific names in several cases -- but, if they are, then she has every right to read them, and be p*ssed-off about them, and to be especially p*ssed-off that he's posting slanderous/libelous commentary about her in an unrestricted public medium, and even to initiate legal action, if the details/specifics were a bit more real-world-applicable or threatening. So would I. So would you. So would anyone.

Think about it. Would any of you enjoy seeing yourself defamed in the New York Times or Wall Street Journal? More to the point, would you respond favorably to someone telling you to 'grow up, just don't read it if you don't like it'...?!?

Sven (incredulous)

From:

http://users.livejournal.com/_jax_/

wow, why do you care so much about what one person has to say? i realize that online journals are for the public to read but if she is so damn offended by what one person has to say, why read it? hes not on her friends list, she isnt on his. so what, is she keeping tabs on him? if so that is pretty pathetic on her behalf. id like to think by the time i hit the age 20 i will have more of a life than to go read journals and just assume someone is protesting against me. shes obviously completely vain to think that anyways. i dont much care what your views are about me or about anything for that matter. you say live journals are free for people to post whatever they want in them and for whoever to read them, well dont be a hypocrite when i freely post comments that i want because afterall...im free to do so.

From:

lostphrack.livejournal.com

wow, why do you care so much about what one person has to say?

Because it's a sympton of a larger overall problem, therefore he's not simply addressing this one incident but...the larger overall problem. Hence the subject line "this is a constant argument with the LJ crowd..."

well dont be a hypocrite when i freely post comments that i want because afterall...im free to do so.

And he's free to respond however he wants, if at all.

From:

http://users.livejournal.com/_jax_/

i never said he wasnt

From:

stillking.livejournal.com

Two wrongs don't make a right.

Sven

From:

darkroomman.livejournal.com

I suppose her posting sections of my journal on her own and attacking me is not slander?

I never said I was talking about her. I also never said I wasn't because she immediately attacked me and assumed its all about her and that pissed me off. Its none of her goddamn business reading my journal if she doesnt like me anyway. She has never had any reason to think I would attack her because Ive always considered her a friend, even when she turned on me for no particular reason. Thats what I said.
Anyone that really knows me knows I don't like fighting with ppl, but I will defend myself if attacked unfairly. I blocked her to end all this childishness. High school's over, folks.

From: (Anonymous)

My comment has nothing to do with the freedom to pick and choose what someone should read, and not read, however, if elvendoll is so over Adrian, why is she still dedicating journal entries to the things he does/says in his journal? Just a thought, usually I block out the assholes in my life, but mentioning that is just circling around to the main topic of the comment-discussion.

From:

http://users.livejournal.com/_jax_/

if two wrongs dont make a right, why are you trying to justify "elvndolls" journal entries? adrian said some things, and she went around and did the same thing. so are those two wrongs...right?

From:

lachesis.livejournal.com

oi.

I know both of you.
I -like- both of you.
I personally have been known to listen to one person's opinion; but do try to either play devils advocate, or try to give the benefit of the doubt on behalf of the other; especially if I am unable to hear the other side. (Since there's always three sides anyway.)

In any case, MY OPINON is that :
she has a right to read his LJ
he has a right to get angry about things being posted in hers that he said
she has a right to get angry if those things were about her (if they are, or she thinks it)
they both have a right to defend themselves.
HOWEVER... I dont think that LJ is the place to have discussions like this - if people are unable or unwilling to talk things out in person, there's always the more private forum of email. again - this is MY opinion. In the event people choose to slander, defame, ridicule or otherwise bother me, whatever my interpretation of bother may be, I would make a brief statement saying "I am taking this to private mail", and then do so.

From:

tobi.livejournal.com

*cheers*

From:

xevb3k.livejournal.com

I definitely agree that LJ is not the place for this type of discussion, but unfortunately, it has already been started on LJ. Now we can only wait until it dies down and everyone gets bored. However, I think it's unproductive (not to mention unhealthy) to post something on the internet about how pissed off you are at someone, then give a bunch of details about that person and why you can't stand them while being vague about it the entire time. It's a text book case of passive-aggressive behavior. An assertive person would approach whoever it was and talk to them or at least initiate an e-mail correspondence. Being vague yet including specific details at the same time is highly passive-aggressive. I'm not saying that doing this makes Darkroomman insane or fucked in the head (hell.. If that were true, most of us would be in trouble). I'm only saying that it's an unproductive and unhealthy way of dealing with things, regardless of who his post was about. It doesn't solve any problems. Instead, it creates new ones.
(Yeah, I'm a psych major.)